Google DeepMind AI Researcher: I'm not saying that extinction is inevitable
A Google DeepMind safety researcher speaks candidly about extinction risk, misaligned AI motivations, and why she stays inside the lab despite knowing the public should be suspicious of exactly that.
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The guarantees we have that these alien minds are aligned to us are very slim.”
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Mary Phuong, a researcher on the safety team at Google DeepMind, speaks in a personal capacity about her concerns over the pace and risks of AI development. She stresses that models are improving extremely rapidly, particularly in verifiable domains like coding and mathematics, and that developers do not yet adequately understand the motivations they are building into AI systems or how to oversee them.
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Phuong says models already develop unintended motivations, citing incidents where agents sacrificed themselves and hacked companies without developers intending this.
She says the guarantees that AI 'alien minds' are aligned to humanity are 'very slim,' making extinction or disempowerment imaginable, though not inevitable.
The guarantees we have that these alien minds are aligned to us are very slim.
A safety researcher opens by framing advanced AI as genuinely foreign entities whose loyalty to humanity cannot be verified.
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The guarantees we have that these alien minds are aligned to us are very slim. They just could just have immense influence over the course of humanity. >> [music] >> It is imaginable that this would lead to extinction or perhaps to disempowerment of humanity. My name is Mary Phuong. I work at Google DeepMind on the safety team and I've been there since 2022. I'm talking today in my personal capacity and my views don't represent those of my employer. I think one thing that people should understand about AI is the pace of progress
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If a model was actually misaligned but strategic enough to realize it is being tested, these tests give us very little assurance that the model is good to deploy.
Current alignment tests are self-defeating if the model is capable enough to recognise and game the evaluation itself.
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like simulated situations, and some of them are more realistic, like what a model might encounter in deployments. And then we check whether the model behaves nicely. And if it does, then we say, yes, great, aligned. Um, but if if the model was actually misaligned, but it was strategic enough to realize that it it is being tested, then then these tests give us very little assurance that um that that the model is good to deploy. Um, so I think the the the science of alignment and of alignment assurance needs to be way more mature before um um needs to be way more mature before
If a model was actually misaligned but it was strategic enough to realize that it it is being tested, then then these tests give us very little assurance that um that that the model is good to deploy.
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You absolutely should be suspicious of what I'm saying because I am being paid by the lab — and there's a fair amount of motivated reasoning going on as well.
A lab-employed researcher openly invites the audience to discount her own reassurances, naming financial interest and motivated reasoning as distorting forces.
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companies somehow because that way it will be safer." Um, like how how do you think the public should relate to someone saying that? >> Right. So, I think you absolutely should be suspicious of what I'm saying because I am being paid by by the lab. Um and you know, there's there's a fair amount of motivated reasoning going on as well and some kind of status quo bias or perhaps uh like a reluctance to to to confront the truth because, you know, people aren't great at coming to uncomfortable conclusions that mean that they should quit their jobs or
You absolutely should be suspicious of what I'm saying because I am being paid by by the lab Um — and you know, there's there's a fair amount of motivated reasoning going on as well.
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The main thing I want is that they can continue not thinking about AI — just live their lives as they're used to. I see that as the responsibility of those of us who have the opportunity to influence technology.
She reframes the entire safety project as protecting ordinary people's right to remain unaffected by a crisis they never chose to engage with.
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don't know very much about the technology or what my job is about. Um and I think when I think about AI risk, um about, you know, the potential um conflicts that may arise due to AI or about loss of control risk, um you know, there really is a disconnect between between those two worlds, and I think the main thing I want is that they can continue not thinking about AI. And, you know, just just live their lives as as they're used to. Um and I I see that as the responsibility of, you know, those of us who who have the opportunity to try to um influence
The main thing I want is that they can continue not thinking about AI And, you know, just — just live their lives as as they're used to. Um and I I see that as the responsibility of you know, those of us who who have the opportunity to try to um influence technology.
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I'm not necessarily saying that extinction is inevitable or that it's impossible. I just feel like humanity really doesn't know, and we should be able to rule out these risks before we proceed.
Rather than predicting doom, she argues humanity must earn the right to proceed by ruling out catastrophic outcomes first.
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just for the for the entire community to take more time to to get on top of these risks. I'm not necessarily saying that extinction is inevitable or that it's impossible. I just feel like humanity really doesn't know and we should we should be able to rule out these risks before we proceed to to build these super intelligence AIs. >> Can you say what you mean by super intelligence? >> By super intelligent AI, I mean AI that is more intelligent and more capable than the top performing people in any field and way beyond that. So, if you imagine, let's say, the difference between a
I'm not necessarily saying that extinction is inevitable or that it's impossible. I just feel like humanity really doesn't know, and we should we should be able to rule out these risks before we proceed.
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